Clarification on Questions

I find it hilarious that the posts I do as filler often turn out to be the more controversial posts I publish, at least judging from the comments.

The other day I did a post about how people are finding my blog using the search of “is my gear good enough for (random instance)”.

My philosophy on the search and its merits were alternatively blasted and agreed with. It would even appear that there were people who felt I was trying to say that no one should ask any questions about readiness to take on new content.

It’s obvious that my intent was missed by some. As an educator and a writer I cannot allow that to stand. So here’s take 2 on the gear question.

From the statistics page for my blog I can see what search engine terms people are using to find the blog.

Currently one of the most popular is “warlock T9.” Not really sure why or how, sorry to disappoint all you warlocks out there.

One that crops up periodically is the search of “is my gear good enough for (instance)”.

Example: Is my gear good enough for Ulduar 10?

LITERALLY – “IS MY GEAR GOOD ENOUGH FOR ULDUAR 10?”

This is not a question being posed on a forum, it’s a direct question to the interwebz at large being typed into a search engine.

I typed that in to Google myself to see what comes up.

Gearsearch

About 362,000 results and my blog was not on the first page. I’m crushed.

Of course, WoW-Heroes and BeImba weren’t there either.

What was on the first couple pages was mostly random forum posts with people asking if their gear was good enough to tank Ulduar.

This is a HORRIBLE question to ask the interwebz.

NOTE: I am not saying that asking questions is bad, I’m saying this exact, particular question is BAD.

It’s an honest question and one that the asker probably thinks is a good one.

The road to hell and numerous instance wipes is paved with good intentions and poor questions.

The biggest problem is the source being asked the question.

Google != Intelligent, rational individual.

Google does some great searching, as do other search engines.

But they are only as good as the parameters you enter.

Since my parameters were really broad and vague (how does Google know what my gear even is from that question? should I get a tinfoil hat?), I got back information on tanking and warlocks and priests and everything else.

What if I specifically am playing a boomkin? I would have had to wade through pages and pages of garbage to possibly find something useful.

Now, if I had asked the same question of a knowledgeable guildmate (or other experienced player), I would have (hopefully) received a useful answer.

The difference is that the guildmate would look at my gear, look at my spec, look at my gems and enchants, my demonstrated skill level, etc. and put it all together.

When asking “is my gear good enough” to a real person, the question takes on depth. There is an implied, “look at me as a whole and tell me if I can do this” whereas asking the interwebz boils down to “do i haz enuff purplz to play wit u?”

Part of the problem is a pervasive belief (and it’s getting worse) that ilevel = ability to succeed. The saturation of servers with people running Gearscore or running off to WoW-Heroes every single time they evaluate an individual is getting worse.

I don’t want to talk too much about it, the gals over at Empowered Fire did an awesome job explaining why this is a bad trend and what can be done about it.

This is a case of a potentially great tool being used as a shortcut to laziness and an excuse for ignorance.

Yes, there is generally a relationship between having better gear and being a better player. But we all have horror stories of the uber-geared PuG that didn’t know jack so we know it’s not a guarantee.

I use WoW-Heroes. It’s a convenient tool for me to see how the guild is doing in terms of upgrades and where we *should* be able to tackle content. But it is always tempered with my individual knowledge of the players and their roles. And if I don’t know how much spell power versus haste a resto shaman should be rocking to take something on, I find someone and ask.

There really is no “gear threshold” for entering raids. (With the exception of elitist puggers, but that’s an artificial threshold, not one intrinsic to the game.)

When new content hits, the Ensidias of the world do not have new epics mailed to them so they can start thrashing the new content.

They do it with what they have from the previous content and whatever can be scraped up on the way.

When Naxx was re-released for Wrath, Ensidia cleared it on both 10 and 25 man in 3 days.

3 days is not enough time to farm heroics for all the best gear available and there certainly wasn’t time to do any sort of emblem farming.

I was too lazy to find it before, but here you go: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2009/08/ungeared.html

That would Gevlon from Greedy Goblin and his guild clearing Ulduar 10 in blues.

I have a first-hand comment from a friend in an OS 10 where an enhancement shaman did 3200 DPS on Sarth on the same day he dinged 80.

I know an individual with a 2400+ WoW-Heroes score on 2 characters. That is Ulduar 25 and beyond. (I’m at 2604 on WoW-Heroes and have a Gearscore of 4804 I think, just to give you an idea of the conversion, he should be 4k+.)

I frequently don’t trust him to tank or heal a 5-man.

He can’t target his heal assignment. He can’t pick up loose mobs. He’s taunted Sarth when he’s the OT and wiped the raid.

When we put him in DPS roles his gear is at least 2200. More than his DPS.

He can’t assist the tank or switch targets or even use the correct rotation.

But his gear is fine, his spec is probably cookie cutter to a more successful individual.

What can we take from this?

GEAR IS NOT THE END-ALL BE-ALL OF SUCCESS.

Gear is a reward. Gear is a tool.

Gear makes a good player better. Gear makes a bad player prettier. And their gearscore higher.

No piece of gear a scrub gets get will make the light bulb click in the dim attic of their mind and make them go, “oh yeah, my spec and rotation should be like this!”

But when people pose the question to the interwebz of, “is my gear good enough” the value is being placed on the gear – the pretty purplez – with no consideration for the skill of the player.

The interwebz can give you a vague idea of if your gear is APPROPRIATE to the level of content.

It cannot tell you if you’re a scrub that doesn’t know to get out of the fire, or true story – stop attacking when you have Curse of Mending on you in OS.

There are no “gear checks” at the door to an instance. There is no hostess with a pretty smile telling you, “I’m sorry, but we require that our patrons be wearing a tie and have a gearscore of over 9000. We hope to see you again in the future when you’re prepared.”

There are key stats that you need to reach and maintain, based on your class, role, and spec.

A healer obviously doesn’t care much about a hit cap while I was obsessed with getting that magical 446 as a fire mage.

If you’re going to troll the interwebz to verify if you’re ready to tackle content, questions relating to those specifics for your character are entirely appropriate and heartily encouraged.

I want people to ask what their hit rating should be.

I want people to ask what their defense should be.

I want people to look at their character as a whole and determine how they should be gemming and enchanting.

I want people to ask what the optimum rotation is for their spec.

I want people to ask why specific talents are considered to be better than other talents. (This is a particularly good one – it takes the step from accepting spoon-fed cookie cutter specs to understanding WHY the spec works.)

Hell, even asking what is an acceptable amount of DPS is for a class/spec works for me. That’s a benchmark that can be used to gauge success. If you’re not meeting that benchmark, time to get even more detailed questions.

Asking what your best in slot items are is a good question – people should always know where their upgrades are coming from; it gives us goals and purpose.

What I do not want is people coming into the game with, “Well my gearscore is 4800 and WoW-Heroes says I can do this. It’s the healers fault that I keep dying to fire. If I switch from Lord Jaraxxus to the portal then my DPS goes down. But it’s ok, because I have a 4800 gearscore. What do you mean I shouldn’t be gemming for MP5 on a mage? My gearscore says I’m better than you so STFU.”

That is the attitude that hinging success upon gear breeds.

Not all players are created equal and not all purples are either.

TL;DR

Questions are good. But asking bad questions perpetuates bad results.

Learn to ask the right questions and everyone wins.

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16 comments to Clarification on Questions

  1. telanarra says:

    To add to Ari’s wonderful post on asking the right question. Remember if some ask whats your gear score just say 42 and then ignore them.

  2. Hai, is my gear good enough for SM: Cathedral?

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Undermine&n=Kered

    Thanks in advance.

    I agree for the most part. Gearscores are stupid. My DK has crap gear and would get punted from a lot of raids, but if someone finds out that my other character is Randul I get in whatever raid I want. I’ve developed a reputation for being a good tank.

    On the other side of the coin, typing in “requirements for kara” ended up teaching me a lot about the stats I want on my tank. It’s not the question, it’s how you deal with the answers.

  3. jong says:

    On the original post, you were encouraging us to ask questions by contrasting “bad” (i.e., vague and rhetorical) questions to “good” (refined, proactive, and relevant) questions.

    I got your message the first time, because I’m such an astute reader.

  4. theerivs says:

    I solved that problem, I do alot of things naked….

    Is my Underwear good enough for Deadmines?

  5. repgrind says:

    I know a bunch of people who need to read this … if I can drag them away from calculating their gearscore for a couple minutes.

  6. Melanthor says:

    Now I got your point better.
    Asking the right qeustions goes a long long way.

    I just was fokused on my current problem and that can not be answered easily if you are not in a guild. I am running PUG’s all the time. And thank you for clarification to point the questions in the right direction.

    How much DPS must be done to ….

    A) get the portal in Jaraxus hard down in time?
    B) get boss down before next beast spawn?
    , aso.

    This again lead me to the question, am I theoreticly in the position to do this with my gear or not?
    What parameter influence my DPS? Is latenzy part of it? How much latenzy can be overcome by Spell Queing?
    What Class and Spec support my DPS and how much?

    Sure, you pointed it out 100% correnctly: Your guildmate will inspect your gear, your spec and so on. But on what Calucation will he give you an answer?

    Yes I now my hit cap, I have some idea about the concept of haste and crit for arcan mages. And still this is a tough qeustions, and so far I have not found a satisfing answer to it.

    I would love to have a page like be.imba.hu or pugchecker.com that not only give you the gearscore but also possible max DPS. If the player can not manage it he has to improve and can be happily /raid kicked.

    But this is only one picture, sometimes classes are invited just because they have abilities that no other has. Priest for mass dispel in fraction champions, shaman for blood lust / heroism.

    So everything goes down to brenchmarking.
    Do I the DPS I should be able with my gear and spec?
    IS this DPS enogh for instance ToGC10/25?

  7. Euripedes says:

    /applause

    Hilariously, my blog is still the number one google result when you search for theory-craft-o-matic.
    It’s such a stupidly useless post, too… :(

  8. Shyste Chris says:

    I like running around naked in started zones…..

    Naked hogger anyone?

  9. Fish says:

    Well, I agree with your long answer so much more. I guess I do take an amount of personal baggage into this convo as from a strict gear standpoint, my main is geared to tank anything. However, tanking is about tactics and being crit capped with 30k health means nothing if you don’t know the fights, hence I don’t tank anything beyond heroics.

    I could def see a newly dinged 80 do a fair amount of DPS. Although the hit cap is a bastard, melee DPS seem to have an easier go of it than casters, but thankfully there is a good amount of gear out there.

  10. Dark/Soth says:

    Just a heads up, in case you weren’t aware Melanthor, your own personal DPS varies widely based on the encounter, the amount of movement required, the group comp, buffs, food/flask buffs, etc, etc. For example, I’ve broken 6k on Koralon 10-man as fire spec, with a very caster friendly group comp, but get me on a training dummy and I’m pressed to break 4k. There are going to be days and pug raids where you top the charts, and other days where you perform at 85% of your best. People get hung up on gearscores and asking how much dps you can do.

    I guess its another example of asking the right question.

    Not, how much dps can you pull, but, how much dps can you pull against Patchwerk 10-man with 4 hunters and a dps warrior in your group vs. Twin Valkyr with a Demo lock, an ele shammy, and a boomkin?

  11. Melanthor says:

    Thank you very much for your answers.
    I will have a look at the pages you referenced.

    Yesterday I also find l2dps.com. Which is about Mage DPS. Even if it is a little bit outdated. It still has an easy form for calcualtion of DPS, which seems to be very close to the numbers I figured out myself.

  12. Johnny says:

    I came across your blog mainly because gaming sites are blocked at my job, but also because I love being a mage and am always looking for info from other players. My particular question to google went something like “How much spell power is too much spell power”, or something to that effect. I still don’t know the answer…

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