OK, so I lied about talking about expectations today.
But it’s not really my fault… this time.
Nope, blaming it all on Tirael this time.
He has his own blog over at 1337BOHICA but claims to have one of those “life” things so his own blog is taking backseat to one of those “child” things. So he sent me his thoughts on the matter to share with all of you.
But first, I want to direct everyone over to Tales of a DK to read about an awesome experiment that Shyste pulled off with some guild members. And an excellent set of PUG Commandments by theerivs at A High Latency Life.
OK, now on to Tirael’s contribution:
FWIW, Arioch I am promoting you to PITA status as you always elicit responses from me. I will start with the most recent post in this series and work my way backwards (for dramatic effect, lol).
The WoW player base is as diverse as any community you would find in the real world. These people come from all walks of life. I myself am in the military. I play with people who work for large corporations, drug addicts (WoW addiction must come easy), children ranging in age from 5-18 (try having a 12 y/o mage own everyone in dps on an Ulduar 25m), and, hell, I even play with a financial analyst (don’t even get me started on how he works the AH like he created the damned thing).
From these different walks of life, people are bound to have different moral sets that guide them, different dedication levels to certain aspects of their life and even different ways of portraying who they are (internet vs face to face). I could go on a tangent about how WoW and many other things that socially detach us from others is destroying interhuman communication, but I digress. In WoW, just like life, expect the unexpected, and as is my motto, expect the worst from everyone until they prove otherwise.
WoW is simply a game. No more, no less. Player skill is of ill importance to me until it matters (raids). Heroics and such are just fodder for the masses, and I enjoy them, regardless of how others perform. The only time I truly care is when I am recruiting for raids. That is when I need to know achievements for boss kills or dps you do or the GS of your gear.
WoW players as a community have become more dependant on other people’s success in order to do well. Elitist Jerks, Satrina, Tankspot and the like have all been there and done that for many people. I never use them as my first source of inspiration for gearing/spec/gemming/enchants for my gear. I use my own intuition first, until I hit a brick wall (rare), then I will use them.
I do not measure the success of others in accordance with my own success. If I run a heroic with a fresh 80 in greens or the guy with ToGC 25 Insanity gear, I don’t measure the success of the run on how fast it was done, how much dps was done, or healing done. All I care about is A) Did we succeed? B) Will Skadi EVER DROP THAT DAMNED MOUNT? After that, anything else is icing on the cake.
Skill is of varying levels of importance when it comes to WoW. There are several areas in which a person can be skillful, and in their eyes, be a success. You have the PvPers, the RPers, the AHers. the Raiders, and the Heroic Grinders. We all know who these people are and what they do in terms of the game. If a PvPer gets to 2000 Team Rating, he feels he is a success in WoW. However, when he tries to PuG heroics and fails on pulls/boss strategy, the Heroic Grinders/Raiders are quick to scream “ZOMG5kGSNUBALERT”. Is this fair? No, it is not. This guy was trying a new aspect of the game to him, so there is going to be a steep learning curve. Measuring success in this game is all a matter of preception.
This gives me a segue into the attitude of the WoW community. You have so many people with different personalities but you can fit them into any of these categories: Trolls, Ninja looters, Casual, Raider, Elitist, World First. The first few are easy to identify, but I will explain the last two.
Elitist are people who may/may not be good at what they do, but have an unwarranted air of superiority about how/what they do. World Firsts are people like Ensidia, Might, Juggernaught, Stars, and etc that are the best of the best in the WORLD at what they do. Ever notice how these people are giving out boss strats, theorycrafting, and are generally (for the most part, some exceptions apply) good people? Want to know why? Hint: They were once just like all of us. Clueless.
People will be just that, people. There is no reason you should expect someone to be just like you. Ask yourself this in the end: If you just met someone in real life, would you expect them to be like/think like you in all aspects of life? Then why would expect that in an online, social game?
In all honesty, you hit the nail on the head with this post. You put it way better than I could (which isn’t that hard).
By definition (as proposed by this article) I am an elitist. Why? I think that everyone is CAPABLE (at my gear level) to perform as well if not better than me. However, I disagree with Dark/Soth on a lot of points. I will go through them here. As well as who I R, what I R did done.
First off, my name is Tirael. At least this is my internet alias. I play an Unholy Dps/Frost Tank DK of the same name on Mal’ganis. I also play a Prot/Fury warrior by the name of Paleteal on the same server. I have experience in raiding from Karazhan (my first raid ever) to ToGC 25 (4/5) and ICC 25 (3/4). You can armory these toons and as Dark/Soth said, I doubt you will be impressed. I am not on the bleeding edge like the US/World Top 100 guilds, but I feel I know my stuff after 3+ years of playing.
Moving on. I may be an elitist (they say that is the first step). I expect people to perform at their gear level or higher. If they can’t, I expect them to seek out ways to improve. If they don’t know how, I can show them. If they won’t do either of these, they are not worth my time.
A fresh 80 in quest blues/greens who does 2k dps is stellar, not the norm. He/she is outperforming his gear by large margins and is a threat once they get some top notch gear. However, this does not mean that people doing less are bad. You have to realize the environment you are in before you jump the gun. These guys are running heroics to get gear. Maybe this is their first 80, maybe it is their 7th 80. Either way, we all started somewhere and there is no need to worry yourself over someone in quest/blues in greens. They are still learning their class. They probably haven’t started researching their class. They probably don’t even know. If you do, you should point them in the right direction.
All of us loved it at the beginning of Wrath (as with each Xpac) we were all struggling to make it through dungeons. This isn’t the case anymore with the xpac being out for over a year. A good portion of us have our welfare gear/ICC gear on ourself. Why does it upset us so when we see a fresh 80 step into our H UK doing 1k dps? To be honest, it shouldn’t. I guarantee you when you were a freshly minted 80, you weren’t doing much more than 1k dps in heroics. If you were, you were god. If you weren’t you were with the rest of the pack.
I think all this player hate comes from carrying people. This isn’t ICC. Carrying people through heroics happens all the time. People just get mad when it isn’t their friends. The person you scorn now could be the person who blows you away in dps/tanking/healing later on down the line. You never know. Before this cross server dungeon finder, scorning someone could mean that you could piss off friends in another guild. Now, it doesn’t matter. In all my Dungeon Finder instances, I have never ran with the same person twice. This goes back to human nature more than anything else.
All I can say in the end is that we were all once scrubs. Yes, even the top notch guilds were scrubs. Even if you are a savant at class skill, your knowledge of heroics/raids would hold you back. The WoW player isn’t just about X gear means Y dps. It’s about the knowledge that player holds. Here is a case and point, using the newly pre-reformed (x3) Occulus (you can gets epic gems and possibly a mount now, GG Blizz):
Prot Paladin (5100 Gearscore)
Unholy DK – Me (5244 Gearscore)
Mutilate Rogue – (5500 Gearscore)
Affliction Lock – (4500 Gearscore)
Resto Shaman – (4900 Gearscore)
Group pops in and no one leaves (SURPRISE) We buff up and such. Pulls up to the first boss goes smooth. Boss melts. Combat rogue is smoking me in dps. The three NPCs spawn. I pick up an amber drake and start to summon him. I am looking around at 4 confused people standing where the boss died….so party chat pipes up:
Tankadin: I never did this before
Rogue: Me either. My friends say it sucks
Lock: WTF? Where did you get that AWESOME drake?
Shammie: WoW. This place is so cool.
Me: (Explains the instance/vehicle combat/what each drake does) (Thank God they had all done Malygos before)
I pick up the red drake and we make our way through the instance, with ease. Now? Who was the best player in this group? Was it me because I knew the instance? Was it the rogue because he was top dps? Was it the tank who lost agro? Was it the Lock pulling sub 4k dps? Was it the shaman bustin out those chain heals like a pro?
The correct answer is F: All the above. WTF, Tir? ARE YOU CEREAL?
No. good sir, I am not. Let’s start off. Tankadins are easy mode tanking. Consecrate/judge/auto attack afk=win. Shaman healing in heroics is like changing the channel on the TV, you press 1 button and win. Affliction Locks have a long ramp up time for highest dps (2 minutes or greater) so his sub 4k dps was pretty good considering spec/gear. Mutilate for rogues is the best dps spec hands down with the right gear (and trust me, this rogue knew his class). Unholy DKs take upwards of 4 minutes for peak dps output. So why were we all such good people? I knew the instance and shared my knowledge. The other 4 that didn’t took my knowledge and made it their own (that shaman healed Eregos by himself). We succeeded. That makes us all worthy of praise.
Let me give you an example of a good group in a raid. I think back story is warranted here. Mal’Ganis is one of the top servers for progression in the US. With the good there is also the bad. If you think I/Soth are elitists, come to MG for a day and look at trade chat. Join a raid/heroic. We aren’t even near the top of the elitist hierarchy. Moving on.
I was in a PuG TotGC 25 (yes, Trial of the GRAND Crusader 25 man/TotC 25 Heroic) on my Unholy DK. We get inside, get buffed up, and got to work. I was the lowest person on the totem pole as far as GS was concerned (my 5100 at the time was 200 points lower than the next person above me). Gormok comes out and we go to town. About 3/4 of the way into Gormok, I am topping the DPS/Damage Done meters. In TotGC (either version 10/25), you do not get a speed buff when Icehowl charges. No one died to charge. We one shot NR Beasts. Loot gets handed out, we move on. We one shot every boss up to Anub (which is currently considered one of the hardest fights in the game). Do you think after each fight we were linking healing meters? Or Dps meters? Do you think we cared when someone died to something stupid? No. Why? We just one shot every boss up to Anub in Trial of the FUCKING Grand Crusader 25. In short, in my eyes, a good player cares about two things:
1) Getting better
2) Raid/Group Success
The rest is, as they say, icing on the cake (white with chocolate frosting…OMNOMNOMNOMNOM).
He also updated my chart and pushed me higher on the skill side, but I think he was just buttering me up. /hug
And it’s totally chocolate frosting on yellow cake.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll get around to expectations.